This episode turns the tables: Host Dan Weissmann gets interviewed about what he learned in 2020 and what's ahead for the show — with T.K. Dutes, a radio host and podcast-maker who is also a former nurse, so she knows a thing or two about the health care system. She chronicled her career transition in an episode of NPR's "Life Kit."

During their conversation, Dutes shared stories about life before and after health insurance. She coins what could be a new tagline for "An Arm and a Leg": "Where there's money, there'll be scams."

Here's a transcript of the episode.

For more of Dutes' work, check out "Open World," a podcast she published recently with Rose Eveleth. The first episode features a reading by and discussion with the writer N.K. Jemisin, who won a MacArthur "genius" award the day after the show came out. (Clearly, the MacArthur folks were listening.)

“An Arm and a Leg” is a co-production of Kaiser Health News and Public Road Productions.

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